hmmm....well from what i know it was proven that trayvon was the one screaming based on a voice analasys thing. and so what if trayvon beat the shit out of Zimmerman that DOESNT mean george didnt attack first
Just to add, the picture has been released of Zimmerman's head that police took within 5 minutes of responding to the scene. The entire back of his head was a bloody mess. It was cleaned up in the back of a cop car before arriving the station.
And he wouldn't have been taken to the hospital if he refused or didn't think he needed to go. We have a right to refuse medical care anytime we choose.
I'm not saying he DIDNT get his head bashed. i would have bashed his shit too if he followed me and started messing with me. that don't mean i have to die .he could have shot him in the leg or something to prevent getting more hurt by trayvon
Well, if you bashed someone's head in for following you @lafiitz89, then you broke the law and committed assault. Therefore, giving Zimmerman every right under the law to defend himself. As for shooting him in the leg, please. When you're body is shot into adrenaline mode like that, there's no thinking, "let me shoot him in his leg". When someone is grabbing your gun off of your belt, that's the last thing on your mind.
Although there was a picture that was released months after the intercounter and the photographer remained behind the scenes is not evidence. IF it was cleaned up after the altercation and was soooo badly hurt there would have been bandages, and if his knows was broke blood would have been everywhere trust I know. So that picture doesnt mean anything honestly. Just saying as well. :-? AND why would he refuse to go to the hospital if his nose was broke? :^o
how wow now he was grabbing his gun again. Had he not had a gun on him he wouldnt have played police officer and bothered the boy. Too bad he didnt just knock his a$$ out cold, then trevyon would just be in jail and not dead.
@qweennique, where do you get that Trayvon was profiled? Just curious, seeing that there is no evidence to back that one up. The media has openly admitted to cutting parts of the police tape on TV to portray Zimmerman as racially profiling him. And as for the "coon" comment, that has been dismissed by many voice specialists.
What a lot of people don't know is that Zimmerman has many black family members, mentored young black youth and spearheaded a protest campaign against the very same members of the police department that had arrested him. They had racially profiled a black homeless man and beat him and Zimmerman rallied against the police department for racial profiling and police brutality...so, where's the racial profiling again?
"IF it was cleaned up after the altercation and was soooo badly hurt there would have been bandages."
No, not necessarily. The injury was on his head. Head wounds bleed excessively. If his blood clotted and the bleeding stopped, all that was necessary was for it to be cleaned. Bandages aren't. Simple first aid knowledge.
"Had he not had a gun on him he wouldnt have played police officer and bothered the boy."
I thought we lived in America? We have the constitutional right to bear arms His gun was licensed. He had every right to be carrying a gun.
I never mentioned he was called a coon, however he was profiled, he was profiled not only as looking weird but as if he was on something (DRUGS). The fact he said he was a black guy is profiling him. I wasnt making it a race thing I clearly said thats a non factor to me but since you want to go there... its simple he was PROFILED OF ALL OF THE ABOVE. just saying. I think the poor guy was bored to be honest with you had it been a white boy or mexican since he has something truely against them there would have been a situation. Nobody should have that much power to play police when they arent certified. Period. poor child had no traces of anything in his system. hell there are times i walked down the street on my phone looking lost, doesnt mean I am up to anything but minding my grown business. What if that was your son? Thats the way I look at it or my friends son, who is not black by the way but definitely wear urban clothes. I dont care if the boy was green. it was wrong!
FIRST AID. head being bashed on concrete cant be cleaned up to wear there is no scar when you are on tape the same night. When i have a cut and its clotted it still shows a scar. There was nothing on his head getting out of the car. At least i didnt see it. Now if it was self defense fine, but dont make up story. I would have just stuck with him trying to pull his gun out of his belt.
BTW Concealed carrier here <---- however would not carry on neighborhood watch naw, if i feel like there is going to be that much of a fear for my life the authorities need to handle watching the neighborhood.
Well, it wasn't my son. I don't ponder "what if"s and "shoulda woulda coulda's". Lol. I like to focus on the evidence at hand and the fact that this entire case is simply a media circus. Many more important things to be worried about.
As for profiling, everyone profiles. When you get pulled over for a DUI for crossing the lines on the street one too many times, the cop is profiling. When you roll your window down and reek of marijuana and the cop asks to search your car, they are "profiling." Profiling is not a crime. There were many robberies in this man's neighborhood, and he did what he felt was right (even though we can all agree that it wasn't). In my opinion and what little facts we do know, I would never convict this man of murder. However, if the case is publicized and we are able to finally see all evidence, my mind may change.
Blah blah blah. A kid died. Who cares about Zimmerman "needing" to defend himself with deadly force. I don't care what anyone says here, if that was YOUR son, in the SAME situation, being shot and killed after buying skittles and a tea, you'd be fighting just as hard to put Zimmerman away. He IS a bad guy, he IS, for the death of a boy who he "thought" was suspicious. It doesn't matter if Zimmerman did bad things before this incident, and it doesn't matter what Trayvon did before. A life was lost, and that's where Zimmerman has the burden of proof.
A life no longer lived, that is sad. Out of anger and hungerness for power, SO SAD.
@Captivated, I can respect that. I view what has been brought forward a different way, but I can see both sides, I truely feel bad for the man. If it was self defense he would have stood up against it, instead of hiding, and thats my opinion. however i guess his life was on the line, my opinion might change as well. Although Floridas legal system is very strange, I cant get over the Anthony case.
@qweennique, I'm glad we can speak of it maturely! I definitely don't agree with the way Zimmerman handled what he did, and we can all say he should have done this or that, but it's pointless pondering how he *should* have acted. I'm sure he thinks about it daily! If it was not self-defense and he, indeed, attacked Trayvon, then I hope justice is served and he gets sentenced harshly.
As for Casey Anthony, that's another demon itself. That one didn't really have to do with Florida law, but the fact that the prosecution put on a TERRIBLE case. I watched the trial everyday from start to finish. If I was on the jury, I couldn't have convicted her either based upon the evidence. >:p I still think that entire family is wacky and while I don't believe she intentionally murdered her daughter, I think her negligence led to her death and her father had something to do with the cover up- maybe even her mother too.
Well, people know. Those people are the prosecution and defense. Solid evidence they will use at trial won't be released prior. And it's been debated by many professionals that the prosecution does not even believe him guilty, but was purely a political move to charge him. Calms down society and riots.
Close minded? I have stated my opinion on the matter and that I believe Zimmerman is innocent of murder based upon the FACTS that have been released thus far. I have also said that if opposing facts are submitted at trial showing him to have acted out differently, then I hope he is sentenced accordingly. I'm failing to see the "close-minded"ness.
Maybe I should quote myself again? "If it was not self-defense and he, indeed, attacked Trayvon, then I hope justice is served and he gets sentenced harshly."
"However, if the case is publicized and we are able to finally see all evidence, my mind may change."
Definition of CLOSED-MINDED
: obstinately resistant to argument or to unfamiliar or unwelcome ideas
Yes, until he supposedly grabbed Zimmerman's gun from his belt. @mom2ing.
So...if I am out on the street and carrying my concealed weapon (legally) and someone attacks me and goes for my gun, am I supposed to fight them with my fists instead and not assume they are grabbing for my gun to shoot me? Should I get life in prison?
Now, his actions were uncalled for. He should have called the cops and left it at that. He DID follow him. However, there are witnesses stating that he had followed him and turned to walk back to his SUV to await the police when Trayvon went after him (likely for following him). If that's the case, I hope he is acquitted. If it's not, I hope he is sentenced accordingly.
@lafiitz89 "originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News."
"In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin."
Martin is initially reported as hanging out near the clubhouse, looking at houses and acting suspiciously. Then he walks by Zimmerman’s truck at around 1:30 on the 911 call and proceeds east.
At 2:08, Trayvon starts running. Six seconds later, we hear Zimmerman leave his truck to see where he went.
While Trayvon runs south towards Brandy Green’s townhouse, Zimmerman continues east, and remains on the line with the 911 dispatcher.
At a slow jogging pace, Trayvon is estimated to have arrived back at Brandy Green’s townhouse at around 2:40 on the 911 call.
Trayvon may have gone inside the townhouse, but it seems more likely that he remained outside to see if Zimmerman was still following him and just continued talking to his girlfriend over the next few minutes.
After a few minutes, Trayvon seems to have walked north, back up the sidewalk to confront Zimmerman about why he was followed.
Here’s an estimate of Zimmerman’s route to the main road with 911 call times included:
George Zimmerman leaves his truck at 2:14 and reaches Retreat View Circle just over thirty seconds later at 2:45.
He agrees to stop pursuit at the dispatcher’s request. After the 911 call is complete, Zimmerman begins to head back to his truck to meet the police. At this point, he claims he was confronted by Trayvon, and walks a few steps down the sidewalk south to respond to him.
As we can see, it appears unlikely that Zimmerman ever “chased down” Martin. Zimmerman only pursued long enough to maintain visual contact to see what direction Trayvon was going.
Zimmerman traveled his entire route in around 30 seconds, he only went a very short distance and did so specifically to tell the 911 dispatcher where Trayvon had gone.
It wasn’t until several minutes later that their altercation took place, when Martin apparently doubled back to confront Zimmerman.
Well, you and I differ in that aspect as I am very strongly for gun rights and self-defense. It's a slippery slope we slide when we desire to take those rights from someone. Outlaw guns and the only ones that have them will be the "bad guys". And the government. Very bad mix in my book!
i could really care less what Zimmerman claims happened. that's all that post says. i would lie to save my ass if u were him as well . he has already proved to be a liar
@lafiitz89, that is what the first sentence said. There was about 6 paragraphs after that in which had nothing to do with Zimmerman's statement. Lmao. =D>
@nova, I completely agree. Zimmerman case aside, if I feel that my life is in danger, I don't care if you're a 13 year old boy...I WILL shoot you if you attack me.
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And he wouldn't have been taken to the hospital if he refused or didn't think he needed to go. We have a right to refuse medical care anytime we choose.
Well, if you bashed someone's head in for following you @lafiitz89, then you broke the law and committed assault. Therefore, giving Zimmerman every right under the law to defend himself. As for shooting him in the leg, please. When you're body is shot into adrenaline mode like that, there's no thinking, "let me shoot him in his leg". When someone is grabbing your gun off of your belt, that's the last thing on your mind.
What a lot of people don't know is that Zimmerman has many black family members, mentored young black youth and spearheaded a protest campaign against the very same members of the police department that had arrested him. They had racially profiled a black homeless man and beat him and Zimmerman rallied against the police department for racial profiling and police brutality...so, where's the racial profiling again?
No, not necessarily. The injury was on his head. Head wounds bleed excessively. If his blood clotted and the bleeding stopped, all that was necessary was for it to be cleaned. Bandages aren't. Simple first aid knowledge.
"Had he not had a gun on him he wouldnt have played police officer and bothered the boy."
I thought we lived in America? We have the constitutional right to bear arms
FIRST AID. head being bashed on concrete cant be cleaned up to wear there is no scar when you are on tape the same night. When i have a cut and its clotted it still shows a scar. There was nothing on his head getting out of the car. At least i didnt see it. Now if it was self defense fine, but dont make up story. I would have just stuck with him trying to pull his gun out of his belt.
As for profiling, everyone profiles. When you get pulled over for a DUI for crossing the lines on the street one too many times, the cop is profiling. When you roll your window down and reek of marijuana and the cop asks to search your car, they are "profiling." Profiling is not a crime. There were many robberies in this man's neighborhood, and he did what he felt was right (even though we can all agree that it wasn't). In my opinion and what little facts we do know, I would never convict this man of murder. However, if the case is publicized and we are able to finally see all evidence, my mind may change.
A life no longer lived, that is sad. Out of anger and hungerness for power, SO SAD.
As for Casey Anthony, that's another demon itself. That one didn't really have to do with Florida law, but the fact that the prosecution put on a TERRIBLE case. I watched the trial everyday from start to finish. If I was on the jury, I couldn't have convicted her either based upon the evidence. >:p I still think that entire family is wacky and while I don't believe she intentionally murdered her daughter, I think her negligence led to her death and her father had something to do with the cover up- maybe even her mother too.
Well, people know. Those people are the prosecution and defense. Solid evidence they will use at trial won't be released prior. And it's been debated by many professionals that the prosecution does not even believe him guilty, but was purely a political move to charge him. Calms down society and riots.
Maybe I should quote myself again?
"If it was not self-defense and he, indeed, attacked Trayvon, then I hope justice is served and he gets sentenced harshly."
"However, if the case is publicized and we are able to finally see all evidence, my mind may change."
Definition of CLOSED-MINDED
: obstinately resistant to argument or to unfamiliar or unwelcome ideas
So...if I am out on the street and carrying my concealed weapon (legally) and someone attacks me and goes for my gun, am I supposed to fight them with my fists instead and not assume they are grabbing for my gun to shoot me? Should I get life in prison?
Now, his actions were uncalled for. He should have called the cops and left it at that. He DID follow him. However, there are witnesses stating that he had followed him and turned to walk back to his SUV to await the police when Trayvon went after him (likely for following him). If that's the case, I hope he is acquitted. If it's not, I hope he is sentenced accordingly.
@mom2ing
"originally told police in a written statement that Martin knocked him down with a punch to the nose, repeatedly slammed his head on the ground and tried to take his gun, a police source told ABC News."
"In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin."
Martin is initially reported as hanging out near the clubhouse, looking at houses and acting suspiciously. Then he walks by Zimmerman’s truck at around 1:30 on the 911 call and proceeds east.
At 2:08, Trayvon starts running. Six seconds later, we hear Zimmerman leave his truck to see where he went.
While Trayvon runs south towards Brandy Green’s townhouse, Zimmerman continues east, and remains on the line with the 911 dispatcher.
At a slow jogging pace, Trayvon is estimated to have arrived back at Brandy Green’s townhouse at around 2:40 on the 911 call.
Trayvon may have gone inside the townhouse, but it seems more likely that he remained outside to see if Zimmerman was still following him and just continued talking to his girlfriend over the next few minutes.
After a few minutes, Trayvon seems to have walked north, back up the sidewalk to confront Zimmerman about why he was followed.
Here’s an estimate of Zimmerman’s route to the main road with 911 call times included:
George Zimmerman leaves his truck at 2:14 and reaches Retreat View Circle just over thirty seconds later at 2:45.
He agrees to stop pursuit at the dispatcher’s request. After the 911 call is complete, Zimmerman begins to head back to his truck to meet the police. At this point, he claims he was confronted by Trayvon, and walks a few steps down the sidewalk south to respond to him.
As we can see, it appears unlikely that Zimmerman ever “chased down” Martin. Zimmerman only pursued long enough to maintain visual contact to see what direction Trayvon was going.
Zimmerman traveled his entire route in around 30 seconds, he only went a very short distance and did so specifically to tell the 911 dispatcher where Trayvon had gone.
It wasn’t until several minutes later that their altercation took place, when Martin apparently doubled back to confront Zimmerman.
@mom2ing