Its ok @ellie3712 cuz like I said I do understand your point and how assistance is not the same in all states. They do need to change the rules around a bit to avoid all the fraud. Even tho its hard to live here in NYC I can say im greatful for the way they run their assistance programs here. Not anyone can get foodstamps or public housing just like that here. They screen everyone and the penalties for fraud are high. It makes it easier for the people that really need.the assistance. I think it should be like that in all states.
Here in canton ohio are economy is a piece of isht. Timken used to be a big employer here and we were known for our steel industry. Now most jobs have been shipped and there is constant layoffs then hire back. Not a lot of industry here. I'm a STNA going to school, my hubby is blessed with a maching job so we make ends meet, the only assisstance we take is healthy start for my son and the pregnancy because my job dropped me when dr put me on bedrest and my hubby's wont let us enroll til next july. Wic is a program that here you dont get much (mikk,eggs,cereal,cheese, veggies) I havent taken it but if I need it I will apply. Anyways my point is that there really are not a lot of jobs around here so if it werent for programs too many people would be on the streets with nothing. I dont mind our tax dollars helping out.
I have a friend that receives wic, she refuses to get even a part time job, what extra money they do have they blow on alcohol, they have one kid same age as mine and just found out they have another due in november, medicaid will pay for them to have their baby in one of the best hospitals in utah, while the insurance I pay 75 dollars a week for will allow me to go to 2 hospitals and I still have to pay 10% of any hospital expenses. There are a ton of good ppl that deserve the assistance they get, it just seems like most I see here could do a little more on their own but they choose to take the easy way and it sucks.
@mommy2beagain I completely agree. It's difficult to investigate all of the cases because of staffing shortages right now. So many positions are unfilled when people leave due to government cutbacks... I see just as many people who deserve the programs they are in as the ones who abuse it. And probably even more that should/could qualify, but don't apply. It's a difficult economy and we see so many different situations. Best of luck to you and your family. I didn't intend to offend anyone.
I think that the point of this discussion is that WIC is a very valuable program that is still needed by many. I don't understand why the program would be eliminated.
@ellie3712 you just said a very important thing. Those damn cutbacks and people being layed off! Its insane. Alot of people are loosing their jobs now a days. Its how can it be any easier for people to get jobs when their arent any? Lol no offense taken at all because you did have some valid points. I hope all is well with your fam too
Wow. I am confused how a topic of WIC being cut in one state for horse birth control (which seems kind of stupid to me) to being such a combative discussion. It is so easy for people to be judgmental on certain topics, but really, no matter what people are people and they will do what they need to do. I learned along time ago that wasting your time thinking about how others are abusing the system and how unfair it could be doesn't really get anyone anywhere. I pay my taxes, I work, I take care of my kids, I go without if i have to. I do what I got to do for myself and screw everyone else. I don't really care about such petty BS, i got other things to worry about.
@mommy2beagain, I so appreciate how you've argued your points! Some of the discussions that have happened on this board lately have been crazy! New York is SO expensive, I understand your position. @ellie3712, when I tried to report the girl I know abusing her benefits, I was told all about the cutbacks and then they said they couldn't violate her privacy by drug testing her. The case worker was just as pissed as me, but her hands were tied. We did manage to get her daycare assistance taken away and given to actual working families who NEED it.
@tishj330 it is so frustrating because they need to backfilling those positions because more people are in need of services as a direct result of the economy.
I'm so sad, as always, to see so many of women who are unable to see the good in anything because, in your infinite wisdom, you have decided that your life and circumstances should be the standard by which everyone should be measured. Has no one ever heard of empathy? WIC is a wonderful program; it's horrible that it could be discontinued. I wouldn't have survived the first year after my first son was born without it, and I still needed to go to food banks because we we were so poor. I was laid off because when I was three months pregnant (I looked about 6 months pregnant at that point, and, despite my charm, no one wanted to hire a pregnant woman). This was a few days after my husband and I closed on our first house. My unemployment ran out two weeks before my son was delivered by c-section, so it was a full three-four months living on a 20k salary with my son and my step-son, two car payments, a mortgage, student loans, utilities (phone, electric, gas, water, sewer, trash, etc--we couldn't afford any extras). As soon as I was able I was out job hunting, but the only work I found was part time making $10/hour. The pay wasn't horrible and I could work overtime, but my husband had had to switch to a lower paying job that had better insurance when I was laid off so we still could barely cover our bills. Sh*t happens unexpectedly, and being out of work for a full year was definitely not something that I had anticipated. Even if we'd had more savings, it certainly wouldn't have lasted us for a year under those circumstances. I was lucky that my sister took my baby for free until he was a year old; by then it made more sense financially for me to stay home--I didn't make enough money to cover my gas and child-care. These programs are available for people who need help. People abuse the system, yes, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't do really good things for people who need it. Now, 5 years later, my husband and I are in a totally different place. We donate food and money to food banks and shelters whenever we have any extra (which isn't often), but right now we only miss qualifying for WIC now by about $500/year.
@tishj330. Thanks I appreciate that. We all can get our points across even if we dont agree without being disrespectful I actually learn alot from others opinions. Sometimes things get heated when people just refuse to be open minded and respect the fact that not everyones situation is not the same. Ohhhh and them damn pregnancy hormones!!! Lol
@ellie3712, she was so frustrated! She says that their caseloads have tripled because they had lay offs but so many new cases. She said she's even seen some of her former co-workers applying. It pissed her off that people who actually need help go without because of those who commit fraud. She also said other obscure programs were receiving ADDITIONAL funding but they were having lay offs and cutbacks. What?!?
did it ever occur to you that the people driving these fancy cars and wearing these nice clothes didn't actually pay for them or get it the honest way I'm sure if someone can afford a 100000 car they wouldnt be eligible in the first place duh you just don't walk in the wic office and get coupons they do ask for checks stubs
@macgaw, I'm encouraged by your story! You are the reason these programs should remain in tact and in place. I understand abuses, but its not worth shutting the system down for the corrupt ones. These programs are so important and we can only hope that elimination is not on the table.
@mz_mommie, I'm keenly aware of how the woman I speak of got her things. She has no check stubs so that is why she gets away with her fraud. Her boyfriend pays for all of her things and she has no assets. She SELLS the $800 worth of food stamps she gets and she & her children eat out every day. I only speak of her because I know her personally. She shamelessly does it, and gets away with it. She thinks she's so funny too. Calls her case worker a fool and thinks it hilarious that her purse costs more than the worker's monthly salary.
And to tell someone not to have kids is so immature and childish but you are such a responsible adult yeah right yes I'm on wic I'm in college an expensive university to be exact no job but I still have bills and no I don't plan on being on it forever that's why I didn't quit school so one day I can live comfortably my pregnancy wasn't planned and abortion isn't for me people make mistakes and a little help is always appreciated and if the and social workers took their jobs seriously some not all then you wouldn't have to worry about people abusing the system because they would take care of that issue
Exactly dishonest and she is pathetic she is the fool who will never amount to anything or have anything to her name those chikdren will one day grow up and she will reach the non bearing child age then what will she do????
@mz_mommie, exactly! I just have to hope that one day her idiot sugar daddy will get sick of her and toss her out. But for now she's just milking the system. Until we got the daycare stopped she was just using that to watch the kids so she could smoke weed uninterrupted all day. She sickens me. Good luck with school! I had my first at 18 when I was a sophomore in college. You better believe I got medicaid & WIC! Have your baby, enjoy him/her, finish school, & use the programs for as long as you need them. You won't need them forever, but until you don't use your resources. You & your baby deserve to not go hungry.
@TishJ330 it is hard and I accept that fact that I am the one to blame for my current predcmnt that's y I am going 2 try my best to prevnt getting pregnt again until I am financially stable wic or no wic me and my child have to eat and its especially hard not being able to work I appreciate the program
@mz_mommie, trust me I understand! I struggled with my daughter, totally unplanned lol, and I was determined to not mess up again. I'm 35 now. Married and due with #2 on my daughter's 17th birthday lol. We struggled, but she's my blessing and we made it through. I hope you have some good family and friends to give you some help & support. Inbox me anytime. Good luck with everything
thank you and congratulations good family and friends and a supportive bf don't know what I would do without him right now but I hate being dependent on him
Wic is great if I had to chose between it and foodstamps if I weren't breast feeding I would choose the wic because milk is extremely high and wic helps many families I think it should something done to help the ppl in that area
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